Most of the leftists seem to have abandoned this forum.  When they do reply they usually just post a lot of links to leftists media articles to "prove" their leftists ideas.  I have mostly stopped addressing those postings because pointing this out repeatedly is tiring.  I would engage in honest and civil discussions, but I'm not going to reply to messages that are just a bunch of links to leftist ideology, even if gleaned from supposedly legitimate sources--we know that the leftists have taken over organizations inside and outside the government, universities, "research" groups, and so on.  One just needs to be a clear thinker to recognize leftist thinking.

Of course I realize that the other side believes we are just a bunch of ideologues as well, hooked on right wing philosophy, but without civil discussion no one will be converted to the "other side."

For sake of discussion, I do think it is always important for us to say why we are critical of the left--and I think we do a pretty decent job here.  For example, in this thread there have been many convincing arguments as to why EVs are very bad for users, and why converting over to EVs en masse is a very bad idea--and how the green-at-all-costs types seem to ignore all the problems associated with EVs.  But--to finish my incessant blathering--you are right, Kerry--those on the liberal or left-leaning side don't seem to be willing to even discuss these issues.